I would like to sit the exams (153 & 163) in the next couple off weeks. Does anyone have any advise or recommendations?
I have the courseware books and a year of daily NetApp admin experience but do not know what to expect from the exams.
Ie ~ the MCSE was close to the tests on www.measureup.com but I have not found a similar study aid for the NCDA.
Thanks
Brendon
Great question Brendon, and congratulations on taking this step in your development.
So, I'd hate to sound like the parroting type (So I will only briefly)
If you've reviewed the material located here on the NetApp University, it gives you some 'high level' concepts you address and look at:
NS0 163 Data Protection Solutions
Now that I've gotten that out of the way. There is no short-cut for practical experience, so having that is a wealth of importance in helping you sit these exams.
Because these are particularly "Practical" exams, understanding the fundamentals ways in how certain things work directly will benefit you (read: know CLI syntax)
I find when I teach others how to prepare for exams, we can take the baseline of the "Skills Tested" as cited in those links and look at each line.
Ask yourself, is there any question in your mind you would not be prepared for while covering that particular course material.
If you run primarily FCP, and iSCSI and don't do too much CIFS or NFS, you'll want to make sure you're well-rounded. The same can apply for the reverse.
Alternatively, if you have a strong foundation of working with say Snapmirrors, but have never touched OSSV or SnapLock, you'll want to make sure that your training and education reflects that so you're prepared and not walking in blind.
Short of telling you the questions and answers (Which I'm not going to do here :)) the best preparation is being well rounded, practical, able to think on your feet, and able to succinctly explain the technology and skillsets as defined in those "Skills Tested" area - You will thank yourself for it later :)
Let us know how your testing goes Brendon! Look forward to hearing from you!
Christopher
I am now trying to do most of my admin work in CLI as it is good training and I have found that filerview may tell 'fibs'...
Thanks for the heads up.
Working exclusively from the commandline has its benefits - But I would never be one to dismiss the sheer value and benefits that Filerview has to offer.
I'm a CLI guy by trade, have been for years "Can I get verbose with that?"
However, when I want to do a one-off step, Filerview will be your best friend. And if I want to do something 15 times, or 100 times and want to script it. Filerview for the first time (If its been awhile) and then script off of the end result generated via command line ![]()
I think the best thing you can do (and you're doing it) is to obtain balance in your working with the system.
Balance, and ofcourse comfort with what you're doing and accomplishing.
An ounce of CLI is worth a pound of GUI ![]()
Good luck on your exams and preparation!
Christopher
thanks for this thread..
im working on my NCDA certification also...
and chris is correct, we should obtain balance in our working system. In my case, im more expose to CIFS and NFS but not into SAN. so with my NCDA Bootcamp training, I make sure that I'll learn more in the training.
hopefully with the month or early october I will be NCDA...
crossing my fingers..
Im doing some reviews on the course material on NCDA and reading some PDF manuals and doing some web based training..
kusek wrote:
Because these are particularly "Practical" exams, understanding the fundamentals ways in how certain things work directly will benefit you (read: know CLI syntax)
I have recently received some conflicting information about the NCDA exams 153 and 163 and was told that the exam consists of multiple choice questions. Is that correct? If not what format does the exam take? Do you get sat in front of a filer/console/etc and asked to configure certain bits?
The exam is a traditional computer-based multiple choice, drag-n-drop, test. There are a few scenario based questions. It is not a live proctored practical lab exam on real storage systems.
Hope this helps.
Brenda
NetAppU Certification
Thank you for clarifying that!
Yay - NS0-153 passed yesterday with 88%.
However I was not impressed with Prometrics who sent me to a test center that was no longer running the tests so spent an hour and a half on the phone to a very helpful Prometrics employee in The Netherlands maning the complaints line who managed to find another testing center about 20 miles away that could see me the same day.
The original test center said that I was the fourth person sent by Prometrics in the past week that they had to turn away.
It looks like the best advice would be to call the actual test center to confirm your booking before turning up.
I will now start preparing for NS0-163
Congradulations - I had that same issue. I went to take 153 tuesday and when I got there the testing center guy told me they have been done for 3 weeks
S0 I had to take it Sunday.
I'm working on 163 now. So far I'm reading through the pdf documents how fun but thats how I studied for 153. If it works dont change it.
Congratulations! Your test center wasn't near Brick Lane in London by any chance?
I found a couple of the questions to be very ambiguous with one of them referencing a config file as an exhibit yet the exhibit was missing. I just took a lucky shot.
I'm over in the states but I had that same issue with a question. Good news is you passed too bad we will never know if we got the question correct.
You can kind of figure out by looking at the questions categories and seeing how many questions are in each category and how many you got right (and therefore missed).
Hi Cristi,
I have your message and we are reviewing the exam for a missing exhibit.
Thank you for your post ![]()
bw
Thumbed from my BlackBerry
PM with hint sent ![]()
Just a note that I got two questions like this -- one I got lucky on but the other I missed (fortunately I passed so wasn't too bent out of shape about it).
Hey Brendon ... am curious about how the exams went? What would you tell other people to expect now that you've taken them?
Still waiting to book the thing! Someone is on holiday, some else is sick. Bla Bla ~ You know how it is in a big company...
Think I will just pay for the thing myself. Actualtests have a study guide for NSO-153 which has shown I am weak on luns and the Unix host commands. I been using the community site to find problems to focus my learning on real systems. I find this helps me to learn better and the OnTap simulator is a great tool for study.
Back in the real world I have just upgraded a pair of FAS3050 to 3070, installed new shelves and moved 30 volumes to a new aggregates. Tomorrow I have to install a SCSI HBA into one of the 3070s and make it work with the tape library. There are also SME and SMSQL upgrades to be planned. Also I have a 3140 coming at the start of October as a nearstore, so I am feeling I am in a great position when I do get a date sorted out.
If only 'ironing the wafl', deswizzling and disk scrubbing were real!
Brendon,
Good luck when you go to knock that off, 153 is as straight-forward as you may think from your experience, knowledge (and I won't reference the actual tests material....)
That aside though, you should be sure you cover the depth of the material as focused by the 163 exam, as I've heard from some people surprised by the material! Let's just say, you should really know your goods, when you become an NCDA ![]()
Good luck!
Christopher
Hello,
Yes, I would like to find some course material for the NCDA as well. I have read some of the guides.. I just took the practice test posted on this thread for the 153 and got a 90%, and got a 65% on the 163..
I would like to get the right material to study for this exam.
Do you have to attend a class or is there material that I can just download and read through to prepare with on my own
I took some trainings for my preparation on Netapp certications - NCDA and NCSA - the Data ONTAP 7.2 Fundamentals (April 2007 - Singapore - Global Knowledge), NetApp Data ONTAP SAN Administration 7.2 - March 2008 - Singapore Global Knowledge, NetApp Fundamentals of Performance Anaylsis 7.2 - March 2008 Singapore Global Knowledge, Data ONTAP CIFS / NFS and Data Protection and Retention - May 2008 Kuala Lumpur Malaysia Fastlane.
i will took the nso-153 tomorrow and two weeks ago i take the ns0-163 exam .
You need command line experience because have i lot of questions on 163 exam .
i will say to you tomorrow how is the ns0-153.
Im experience on UNIX , Linux and Solaris and 163 exam its just easy if you put your hand on the CLI .
good luck for you and me :P
Hi Gonzalo,
Congrats on passing NSO 163..
I already passed NSO 153 last 2 weeks ago, NSO 153 is much much easier if you already passed NSO 163..
I do CLI on administering my filers also.. It is a great help when you do CLI in your daily administration task for the certifications..
Probably I will take NSO 163 next week.. I still need to priority on my projects like some snapvault implementation, upgrading our Netbackup to NBU 6.5 and implement tape SAN.
Good luck to both of us..
just keep in touch.
Regards,
tons
Great !
I come from the ns0-153 , i pass , so now i have both exams pass .
For the ns0-163 read about metrocluster because are i lot of question of that .
Good luck !
keep in touch and tell us when you go to the exam .
Congratulations on the exam pass. I now have a date for mine. 23rd Oct.
thanks gonzalo,
Will take note on your tips about metrocluster....
Im still doing some reviews base on my ILT course manual..
hopefully I could take the exam on otctober 8, 2008.
Regards,
tons
There are two sample tests one for NSO153 and NSO163 available
http://www.netapp.com/us/services/university/certification-getting-started.html
These will give you indication of what to expect in the Certification exams.
Fraser
Good eyes! Thanks for the find
Need to do some work on my Unix / NFS skills.
I jrecently passed on NSO-163 last October 29, 2008..
the exam is more on - SyncMirror, MetroCluster, SyncMirror, SnapVault and Snapmirror.
Just waiting for my NCDA Certificate to be delivered.
Will work on NCSA-BR NetApp Certified Backup and Recovery Solution Architect
hmmm..
there's a change of plan..instead of working first on NCSA-BR, I will work on with NCIE-BR then NCSA-BR..
Just found these http://communities.netapp.com/docs/DOC-1845
New Hire Training Materials will help a lot. While Reading these documentations, note very important one line information on network, snapshot, snapmirror, snapvault, metroclusters, sync mirror, ONTAP features and so on..
Create your own questions and see if you can answer them using the notes you have.
That helps you a lot.
Epic fail
Only managed to get 78% and the pass mark for NSO-153 is 80%.
Oh no ~ bugger
Going to try again next week.
Brendon (And this is my 200th post too) :-(
dont worry , next time!
Thanks
Feeling good. I have already worked out a couple of the questions which
I got wrong and ready for the rematch.
Come on!
Hi Brendon
A walk in the park for you next time.
Fraser
Best thing is to go through new hire manual. You will pass 153 in the next one for sure. Book it quick without a long gap.
Passed!
Congratulations, Brendon!!!!!!! Who-hoo!!!! What was your score this time?
Hey I need the study materials for NCDA, can you help me on this???
-Ravi
Hello,
Yes, I would like to find some course material for the NCDA as well. I have read some of the guides.. I just took the practice test posted on this thread for the 153 and got a 90%, and got a 65% on the 163..
I would like to get the right material to study for this exam.
Hi Brendon,
I highly suggest taking the High Availability web-based course when studying for the 163 exam. There are about 5 or so questions on MetroCluster that are often missed. The other course that ties very closely to the exam, is the NetApp Protection Software Administration course. It is currently available in a classroom.
Skills Tested:
Hope this helps
Good Luck.
Brenda
Thanks Brenda and Brendon for your help and resources.!
whoo hoo!, passed! {only just however}... Not an easy exam. Requires experience and much wider reading than just the course work books.
Brendon
Good luck to all those who go next.
Congrats mate!
Well done to Stu for passing NSO-153 today!
Bren
Thanks Brendon - a sigh of relief. Just got 163 to do now but I might have a week off before I start that ![]()
Hi All
Just passed the NSO-153 last week and notice a few questions on Ontap 7.3. Anyone taken 163 recently and had same experience?
Would it be best to study the 7.3 guides rather than 7.2?
Bad news
Read both. I have slept since I sat 163 but I think they ask questions
with the DoT version as part of the question.
Bren
any pointers for 153? Well I'm going to take the test tomorrow so i guess by its either i know it or I dont but every little bit helps. I've been through the study guide on here as well as made my own study guide from the file access and protocols and block access docs.
Thanks
Read up on both 7.2.x and 7.3.x technology as they are both covered now.
Good luck
I have been a thread lurker for a while but I wanted to announce I finally passed the 163.
So I saw stuff from 7.2 and 7.3 plus some of the questions were straight from the WBT modules that are free so pay attention to the skills assessments at the end of those modules!!! Read all the associated docs as well (all mentioned in this thread)
The study guide in this thread is good but you should look the info up as well. Just memorizing the study guide here will not help. You need to understand the fundamentals so research every line in the study guide and you will get that.
Also I found that if the question had info I never covered (protection manager or whatever) I was able to figure stuff out when I stuck to the basics. That is I walked thru what they were asking and if an answer didn't make sense I threw it out. That helps on most questions but keep in mind cli commands are asked so have an idea of those (hint the wbt mentions some the docs mention the rest)
good luck![]()
What are the WBT modules and how do you get to them?
Thanks
Passed 153! Time to study for 163 ![]()
Congratulations Omar!
Don't forget to include HA (Active/Active, SyncMirror and MetroCluster) in your studies.
Good Luck!
bw
Has anyone done with NCIE-SAN?
Yes I did and it was tough for me because I am a windoze guy so the *nix questions hurt. I had to learn the basic *nix concepts (mounts and even that some OS handle MPIO) as well as how NetApp tweaks or otherwise enhances them.
I had the good fortune of being able to take the class (last spring classic in Orlando) then I crammed for a weekend with people who had *nix and NetApp experience.
Will be doing it in the next couple weeks hopefully -- I actually took the beta test cold (no study...it was free and I couldn't afford the study time but figured I might well as try since it was free)...only missed by 1 question so am optimistic I should be able to pass now given having studied for/passed both NCDA tests since then (and also have a 2 day 501 prep class this week taught by Steve Botkins).
Dont forget about using the trusted NetApp Authorized Learning Partners. Unitek has a great program, 6- days covering CIFS, NFS, NPSA and SAN. Here is a link: http://http://www.unitek.com/training/netapp/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=28&Itemid=85
and a link to past NCDA scores: http://http://www.unitek.com/training/netapp/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=77&Itemid=145
good luck
Mike
All,
I passed quite a few exams one year ago, did the NCDA and was ready to go for next level. I passed another 3 exams I think and it was
abruptly halted by the "security" exam which in fact is a decru exam. I am frustrated by the fact that this product is one I have never
seen anywhere in real life (I have had 4-5 customers the last 3 years) and I feel that it will stop most people into getting certified to the next level.
I think the decru exam will be one hinder most people probably wont bother with in chasing the next level. call me lazy but on top of BAU, project work,
a bit of help on forums etc, I cant be bothered reading a 350 page PDF that will take me to the next level whilst having no exposure to this product.
My 2 pennies worth,
Eric
Agreed....we don't have a single customer with Decru -- we'll be doing various NCIE tests soon but have no plans to do that one.
So....the reason I've been a bit quiet the last week is that aside from normal work I was cramming in my NCDA tests. I took 153 last Thursday and passed without much trouble. 163 was this afternoon....was a bit harder but not too bad given study time and a good bit of hands-on experience.
On to 501 soon (I'm going to a 2 day prep class for it this week actually)....our company is aiming to become an APSP so needed to get these out of the way.
I had passed my NCIE few months back...I heard NCIE is mostly focussed towards Post-Sales operations/Implementation while NCSA is more towards pre-sales...Is it partly true ?
NCIE was awesome test...appreciate Netapp for it![]()
Is it worth spending geting a NCSA ? or NCIE-DR ?(coming this oct i guess)
Hi Anantha,
The NetApp Certified Storage Architect exams have been under review for the past few months. During this analysis the exam program descriptions were removed from the NetApp corporate website, yet the exams have still been available at Prometric Test Centers. The few candidates who have successfully passed these exams, have earned a distinguished industry recognition.
The analysis results have provided us the following next steps which support specialist accreditation programs for systems engineers. Accreditation programs are available to NetApp employees and those participating in NetApp Partner Programs.
• NS0-301 NCSA SAN exam: The SAN exam is under redesign and will re-launch later this calendar year
New Program: NetApp Accredited SAN Specialist (NASANS)
• NS0-310 NCSA Business Continuity exam: This exam will re-launch later this calendar year supporting the Backup and Recovery Specialization program
New Program: NetApp Accredited Backup and Recovery Specialist (NABRS)
• NS0-320 NCSA Disaster Recovery exam: This exam will re-launch later this calendar year supporting the Disaster Recovery Specialization program
New Program: NetApp Accredited Disaster Recovery Specialist (NADRS)
• NS0-330 NCSA Security exam: This exam will retire – effective July 31st, 2009.
NCSA Security program will be combined with the NetApp Certified Storage Security Implementation Engineer program. Effective August 1st, NS0-330 exam holders may download their NCIE: NetApp Security certificate from the NetApp Certification Tracking Database
The NCSA exams will enter End of Availability (EOA) status on July 31, 2009 and will no longer be available at Prometric Test Centers. Visit the Accreditation section in the Field Portal for new program information in early Q2.
Accreditation programs are available to NetApp employees and those participating in NetApp Partner Programs.
I hope Netapp Customers can appear for the exams as well...So the new model would replace NCSA level.
I guess moving towards Specialist looks like an Implementor(which concentrates on Planning & Installation)...How this vertical built in the stucture ?
The existing NCSA exams were focused on pre-Sales skills more than pure storage architecture. Their origin was to provide support to the incredible fast growth of NetApp as a company and in the analysis, the relevance for the customer has not been optimal. This was the primary decision trigger in moving these exams to robust accreditations in support of the NetApp Partner Programs.
For customers, we are reviewing the Specialist exams in the Certification program to support both the architecting and implementation areas. Customers are very important to our Certification program and I am always glad to hear your voice and suggestions. Thank you.
Brenda Wright
Director of Technical Training
NetApp University